Return guest Dr. Paul Saladino is a board-certified psychiatrist and also board certified in nutrition. He wrote "The Carnivore Code," which just came out in an updated second edition. In this interview, he discusses the impact metabolic health has on COVID-19 outcomes.
He's done a magnificent job explaining the science that supports the natural lifestyle strategies that optimize our immune systems to defeat not only COVID-19, but also most other infectious agents.
"The psychiatry was a jump-off point for thinking about how immune functionand metabolic health affects mental health,"
. "I quickly realized thateverything in the body was connected and I couldn't just focus on the brainwithout focusing on the rest of the body, and that has led us to where we aretoday.I think that as we are faced with coronavirus, it's a reminder of the metabolichealth and how critical that is. I think so much of the media focus right now ison the next drug or the coming vaccine … but all of those strategies kind ofmiss the point. [They're] just Band-Aids …No drug is going to protect us from the next infection and the next infection.And one of the things that we're going to talk about today, which is so eerie, yetrevealing, is all of this data suggesting that coronavirus susceptibility isintimately connected with metabolic health."
Immunometabolism Is an Important Field of Medicine
We've long known that metabolic health is crucial for robust immune function. Saladino believes immunometabolism — the connections between metabolism, metabolic health and the immune system — is easily one of the most important, if not the most important, field in emerging medicine.
One of the classic changes that we see associatedwith insulin resistance, obesity and metabolicsyndrome is overactivation of the innate immunesystem, with decreasing activity in the adaptiveimmune system.
Saladino reviews NHANES data from 2009 to 2016, which reveal 87.8% of Americans are metabolically unhealthy, based on five parameters. That data is over four years old now, so the figure is clearly greater than 90% of the population today. That means virtually everyone is at risk for Type 2 diabetes and all the chronic diseases associated with insulin resistance, which run the gamut from cancer to Alzheimer's.
"[NHANES] use criteria that we use to define metabolic syndrome,"
. "They use a waist circumference of less than 102 or 88 centimetersfor men and women respectively, a fasting glucose of less than 100 milligramsper deciliter, hemoglobin A1c of less than 5.7, a systolic blood pressure lessthan 120, a diastolic blood pressure less than 80, and triglycerides less than150, in addition to an HDL of greater than 40 for men and 50 for women, ascriteria for metabolic health.What they found — and this is really the point that is so striking — is that only12.2% of people met that criteria. That means 87.8% of people aremetabolically unhealthy or have at least one of these metrics that suggests thatthey may have some degree of metabolic unhealth."
Similarly, data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention show that as of 2016, 39.8% of adults over the age of 20 were obese. When you include those who are overweight, that percentage skyrockets to 71%, and excess weight typically correlates with metabolic dysfunction and impaired health.
"Now, it's not so much an indictment on our population; it's an indication, it's areal call-to-arms to say, 'This is what we should be talking about,' and it's a realjumping-off point for discussions about how metabolic unhealth has repeatedlybeen connected with worse outcomes, [be it] COVID-19, MERS or seasonal fiu.It's a huge piece of it, and I haven't really seen much media coverage of this atall."
Insulin Resistance Is a Modern Plague1
Indeed, while the media reports that the comorbidities include obesity, diabetes, age and being of color, they don't discuss the underlying problems, which are vitamin D deficiency and insulin resistance. As noted by Saladino:
"Insulin resistance underlies many of those comorbidities, and I'll show data tosuggest that as we age, more of the population becomes insulin-resistant,probably because we become a little less resilient to nutrient deficiency and webecome a little more sensitive to the lifestyle factors that make us insulinresistant in the first place.With aging, we see a direct correlation with insulin resistance. But the immunecompromise, the insulin resistance that comes with aging, is not inevitable. It'san assumption, because 88% of the population are metabolically unhealthy.The narrative here is very important because if we can escape the immunologicsort of dysfunction and insulin resistance that so often accompanies aging,then we can totally change our lifestyle."
Metabolic Age Is More Important Than Biological Age
Saladino discusses the results of a Nature Medicine study published in 2019, which looked at immune age and metabolic age using high-dimensional longitudinal monitoring:
"You can look at multiple measures of immunologic aging by looking atdifferent varying proportions of immune cell subsets. This is all very esotericand it looks complex, but the takeaway is that immune aging is associated withrelative changes in different types of immune system response.What's very interesting is we see the same types of immune system responsechanges mirrored in people who have more severe coronavirus outcomes … Oneof the classic changes associated with insulin resistance, obesity andmetabolic syndrome — these are all synonyms — is overactivation of the innateimmune system, with decreasing activity in the adaptive immune system.2
Characterized another way, we can look at the cytokines associated withdifferent T-helper subsets. What we generally see … is that certain cytokines forT-helper 2 tend to predominate over T-helper 1, and you get changes in the waythe innate and adaptive immune systems are responding to invaders. And that'swhat we see in people as they age.That's associated with activation of different infiammasomes, like the NLRP3infiammasome, which is associated with that innate immune system. Theinnate immune system is always activated; it's dendritic cells, macrophages,natural killer cells, neutrophils.The adaptive immune system is T cells and B cells. So basically, what we see inimmunologic compromise, what we see in insulin resistance, is that the innateimmune system gets overactivated at the expense of the adaptive immunesystem.You might say, 'Oh, that's good. One part of the immune system is moreactivated.' But what you have happening is that the adaptive immune systemisn't able to be activated properly, and the resolution of the infiammation doesn'thappen in the way it should."
So, the overarching principle is that it's not your biological age that matters so much, but rather it's your immune and metabolic age. The good news is those are more malleable than we are led to believe. From that perspective, we can address COVID-19 in completely different ways.
"It's a lot of fear-based messaging, saying, 'Here's a new spike of the virus.' 'It'spopping up here, it's popping up there.' But nobody's really talking about whatyou can do to change your susceptibility to this virus,"
"What I want to empower people to understand is that this immunologictolerance, this insulin resistance paradigm, has not been discussed at alldespite the fact that there are tons of evidence that it's really, really important."
Cytokines are small proteins secreted by cells in your innate and adaptive immune systems. They serve to regulate diverse functions in your immune response. Cytokines are released by cells into your circulation or directly into your tissues. The cytokines locate target immune cells and interact with receptors on the target immune cells by binding to them. The interaction triggers or stimulates specific responses by the target cells. In response to bacterial and viral infections such as COVID-19, your innate immune system generates both proinfiammatory and anti-infiammatory cytokines. The infiammatory response plays a crucial role in the clinical manifestations of COVID-19. SARS-CoV-2 triggers an immune response against the virus, which, if uncontrolled, may result in lung damage, functional impairment, and reduced lung capacity. The SARS-CoV-2 viral infection-related infiammation and the subsequent cytokine storm in severe cases plays a crucial role in patient survival. The extensive and uncontrolled345678
release of proinfiammatory cytokines is termed the cytokine storm. Clinically, the cytokine storm commonly presents as systemic infiammation and multiple organ failure.
Immunologic Tolerance Rises as Insulin Resistance Falls
One scientific article that speaks to this is "Association of Blood Glucose Control and Outcomes in Patients With COVID-19 and Pre-Existing Type 2 Diabetes," published in Cell Metabolism, June 2, 2020. What it found was that when blood sugar is well-controlled and there's less glycemic variability, people do better when contracting COVID-19. When they have high levels of glycemic variability, which is indicative of insulin resistance, they fare much worse. "So there's really no question at this point that glycemic variability, overall metabolic status, overall metabolic health are critical," Saladino says. The common mistake here is that you don't want to get that control back using drugs. Your best bet is to get it back using natural lifestyle strategies. Another paper that demonstrates the impact of insulin resistance on COVID-19 was published in Cardiovascular Diabetology, May 11, 2020. It found you can use the triglyceride to glucose index (TyG index) as a gauge to predict the severity and mortality of COVID-19.
"Imagine that. There's an association of the insulin resistance marker, the TyGindex — this is fasting triglycerides, fasting glucose — with the severity andmortality of COVID-19.This should be, in my opinion, mainstream news headlines, and the headlinesshould be, 'You can be stronger against coronavirus. You can have a strongerimmune system. You can decrease your risk of having a severe coronavirusoutcome.' But instead it's mostly fear, it's 'Hide in your homes. What's the nextdrug that's going to save us?' … Cardiovascular health is immune health. That isimmunometabolism.91011
What you do to improve your heart health is also what you do to improve yourimmune health, is also what you do to improve your brain health, is also howyou decrease your risk of Alzheimer's, is also how you decrease your risk ofseasonal fiu and every other single infectious illness that you will all encounterfor the rest of your life. It's one thing; not 60 different drugs … which is why the[conventional] paradigm doesn't work."
Low LDL Associated With Greater COVID-19 Severity
Interestingly, Saladino cites research showing that low levels of LDL cholesterol are associated with greater COVID-19 severity. LDL and total cholesterol levels were significantly lower in COVID-19 patients as compared to healthy subjects. "To me, this is a really interesting [finding] in two ways," Saladino says, adding:
"In 'The Carnivore Code,' I challenged the LDL-centric hypothesis ofcardiovascular disease and I share a lot of data about how important LDLactually is in the immune system. I think that's exactly what we're seeing in thisstudy.When your body is doing an immunologic thing, when your body is fighting apathogen, it totally makes sense that the LDL would be a part of that, in eitherLDLs consumed, or those who have lower LDL are more susceptible toinfection.This is something we see over and over, and there are even genetic syndromesof very low LDL, specifically one called Smith-Lemli-Opitz syndrome involving agenetic polymorphism in an enzyme that makes cholesterol.People with that syndrome have very bad infections and they can be rescued bygiving them egg yolks. So these people are given cholesterol in the form of eggyolks, or they're given supplemental cholesterol, and they do much better.It's pretty clear that cholesterol, which is packaged into this LDL lipoproteinparticle, is intimately involved in the immune response. And so, in someonewho is metabolically healthy, a higher LDL above 100 or 150, or even 200 mg/dLmight not be the horrible thing that we've all been taught it is, especially if theHDL, the triglycerides, the triglyceride to glucose index, that glycemic variability,are all pointing toward metabolic health …It's about context. This LDL is a valuable immunologic particle and we can't justget myopic, looking at LDL. We have to think about it in terms of all these othermeasures."
Top Strategies to Improve Your Metabolic Health
Considering the fact that your metabolic health determines your COVID-19 risk, it would be a sound idea to implement strategies that will improve your metabolic fiexibility and insulin sensitivity. Saladino's top recommendations for achieving that include: 1. Eliminate processed carbohydrates, sugars, grains and vegetable oils — "I think that from a food perspective, those are the key evils that are really wreaking havoc on our metabolism," he says. The worst culprit of them all is probably vegetable oils. "Polyunsaturated vegetable oils are highly oxidizable and very metabolically damaging. So, start with them," Saladino says. 2. Eat animal foods — As noted in the paper, "Immune Function and Micronutrient Requirements Change Over the Life Course," published in the journal Nutrients, nutrient deficiencies that can compromise immune function include vitamins, A, C, D, E, B2, B6, B12, folate, iron, selenium and zinc. These vitamins are primarily found in animal foods, which is why shunning animal foods tends to lead to nutrient deficiencies. Even folate is found in organ meats in highly bioavailable form. "If you want to have a robust immune system, you want to be metabolically healthy. You don't want to be insulin-resistant and you need to have nutrient adequacy in your diets," Saladino says. "How do you get nutrient adequacy? You get these micronutrients from bioavailable sources in organ meats and in the muscle meat of animals." If you cannot stomach12
the idea of organ meats, consider using a desiccated organs supplement, such as those Saladino sells. 3. Time-restricted eating — Compressing the window of time in which you eat down to six to eight hours a day, eating your last meal at least three hours before bedtime, is another very powerful strategy to improve your insulin sensitivity.
Eating a Varied, Real Food Diet Is Key
In short, eating real food, in a time-restricted window, is your surest bet to beat insulin resistance. Also remember to give some consideration to your macronutrient ratios. As explained by Saladino, while a low-fat, high-carb diet may reduce your insulin resistance, you're at high risk for nutrient deficiencies in the long term, as so many of the most bioavailable vitamins and minerals are found in animal-based fats.
"I think the sweet spot is eating an animal-based diet. Not exclusively animalsfor all people, but realizing that animal foods have been incorrectly vilified.They're an integral part of the human diet, including organ meats.Also include some of the healthiest carbohydrates, the nonprocessedcarbohydrates, into your diet occasionally, and don't go either low-carb, high-fatall the time or low-fat, high-carb all the time. Having a mix, but having a robustamount of protein throughout … I think that's a sweet spot for most people."
Low Glutathione May Increase COVID-19 Severity
Saladino also cites a recent hypothesis highlighting the potential role of glutathione in COVID-19. The paper, "Endogenous Deficiency of Glutathione as the Most Likely Cause of Serious Manifestations of Death From Novel Coronavirus Infection (COVID-19): A Hypotheses Based on Literature Data and Own Observations," is written by a Russian medical doctor and Ph.D.1314
What he found was that the reactive-oxygen-species-to-glutathione ratio was able to predict the severity of COVID-19 and the patient's outcome. When the patient had a low ROS-to-glutathione ratio, the patient had a very mild case. The fever disappeared on the fourth day without any treatment whatsoever. When the ROS-to-glutathione ratio was high, the patient developed air hunger on the fourth day, experienced significant fever, hoarseness, myalgia and fatigue persisting for 13 days. A patient with even higher ROS and lower reduced glutathione had critical disease requiring hospitalization for COVID-19-related pneumonia. According to the author:
"Based on an exhaustive literature analysis and own observations, I proposed ahypothesis that glutathione deficiency is exactly the most plausible explanationfor serious manifestation and death in COVID-19 infected patients.The major risk factors established for severe COVID-19 infection and relativeglutathione deficiency found in COVID-19 infected patients with moderate-to-severe illness have converged me to two very important conclusions:(1) oxidative stress contributes to hyper-infiammation of the lung leading toadverse disease outcomes such as acute respiratory distress syndrome,multiorgan failure and death;(2) poor antioxidant defense due to endogenous glutathione deficiency as aresult of decreased biosynthesis and/or increased depletion of GSH is the mostprobable cause of increased oxidative damage of the lung, regardless which ofthe factors aging, chronic disease comorbidity, smoking or some others wereresponsible for this deficit.The hypothesis provides novel insights into the etiology and mechanismsresponsible for serious manifestations of COVID-19 infection and justifiespromising opportunities for effective treatment and prevention of the illnessthrough glutathione recovering with N-acetylcysteine and reduced glutathione."15
Glutathione, Zinc and Selenium
As noted by Saladino, these findings also tie into the issue of zinc and its importance for proper immune function, as zinc helps mitigate the oxidative stress reaction. The question is, why do these people have such low glutathione in the first place? Saladino believes it's probably due to underlying nutritional deficiencies such as glycine deficiency, or oxidative stress caused by smoking, heavy metal toxicity, EMF exposure, eating lots of processed vegetable oils or insulin resistance. Any of these could cause low glutathione. To improve your glutathione, you need zinc, and zinc in combination with hydroxychloroquine (a zinc ionophore or zinc transporter) has been shown effective in the treatment of COVID-19. N-acetyl cysteine (NAC), meanwhile, is a precursor of glutathione, and may protect against coagulation problems associated with COVID-19, as it counteracts hypercoagulation and breaks down blood clots. Selenium is also important, as some of the enzymes involved in glutathione production are selenium-dependent. Saladino cites research showing an association between regional selenium status and the severity of COVID-19 outcome cases in China. The lower the amount of selenium in the hair, the lower the cure rate was.
"Why is this? It's probably because glutathione peroxidase and thioredoxinreductase are selenium- dependent enzymes, and these enzymes are intimatelyconnected by controlling this antioxidant redox system,"
"So, what we're seeing is this huge immunologic injury, this imbalance of theinnate and adaptive immune system, we're seeing insulin resistance, and we'reseeing diffused oxidative damage, and all that stuff can probably be controlledwith lifestyle. That's the huge takeaway."
One of the best ways to increase glutathione, though, is molecular hydrogen. It is my absolute favorite as it does so selectively and will not increase glutathione unnecessarily if you don't need it.
We cover a lot of ground in this interview, far more than has been summarized here, so for more details, be sure to listen to the interview. Saladino is a wellspring of well- researched information. We also review: The use of quercetin in lieu of hydroxychloroquine, either of which needs to be taken with zinc, at the first signs of symptoms. The hazards of oxalates, found in many plant foods and the benefits of a carnivore diet. Links between COVID-19 and pulmonary vasculitis — A new hypothesis suggests SARS-CoV-2 attacks the endothelial cells that line the blood vessels surrounding the lungs' air sacs, or alveoli, causing fiuid leakage and blood clots. According to Saladino, low glutathione may be at play here as well. How you can improve your insulin sensitivity in as little as nine days by eliminating all fructose. To learn more, be sure to visit his website, CarnivoreMD.com , and pick up a copy of " The Carnivore Code ," now in its updated second edition. He also has a great podcast called " Fundamental Health ." On the social media platforms, you can find him by searching for @carnivoreMD.
"If those who are susceptible to COVID-19 due to insulin resistance anddiabetes are able to use this as a wake-up call and change their metabolichealth, they will change the quality of life for the entire time that they're living,"
"My dad is a perfect example of this. He's 70 years old, a retired internist, andI'm going to get him a continuous glucose monitor. He's not as metabolicallyhealthy as he should be, but I'm encouraging him to improve his metabolichealth.And the beauty of that might just be that if coronavirus is the impetus, ifcoronavirus is the trigger that he needs to change his metabolic health — to usea continuous glucose monitor, to show himself his glycemic variability andunderstand how much risk that puts him at, or just to give him an indication thathe's a little insulin-resistant because he's eating bread or vegetable oil, or notgetting enough nutrients.If he makes the change, he's decreasing his risk of coronavirus, but he's alsodecreasing his risk of seasonal fiu, diabetic complications, coronary arterydisease, hypertension and stroke. I mean, the list goes on and on. That's whatyou and I are about, and that's what I think it's all focused on."
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